Germany really is the France of Europe

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realDonaldTrump · Verified · OP · 33 points · 2 years ago

"Yeah you get the milk and eggs from my farm for free, but I am the one who has to take care of the cows and chickens. So who really wins?"

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Sonichu_ · The Insane · 2 points · 2 years ago

It was a German neet that invented it after all.

SilverTalon17 · Poster of the Year · 2 points · 2 years ago

"german"

nigguh · 5 points · 2 years ago

it's pronounced (((german)))

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kosobi · Wise · -13 points · 2 years ago *

If he genuinely loves his farm animals, they both win

Relationships arent for sex you know.
Unless you are a loser who cant get sex any other way I guess.

realDonaldTrump · Verified · OP · 13 points · 2 years ago

whats the point of having a relationship if its not exclusive? in that chase just be single and have FWBs or whatever

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kosobi · Wise · -1 points · 2 years ago

"whats the point of having a relationship if its not exclusive?" - there is still a need for companionship and other emotional stuff. It's not mutually exclusive with having an open relationship.

" in that chase just be single and have FWBs or whatever" - FWB deals dont necessarily address all your needs. Most people seem to prefer having a single, closest person to them. SOME people also prefer to *** other people on the side.

It's not rocket science lmao. It's amazing you don't know this despite Tom89 being so vocal on this site about it.

realDonaldTrump · Verified · OP · 5 points · 2 years ago

"there is still a need for companionship and other emotional stuff"
oh shit yeah forgot you can't have any emotional connections with people that aren't labeled as your bf or gf.
dude even in a monogam relationship you would get support from other people like friends and family. to be exclusive about only the emotional side in particular makes no sense at all.
a romantic partner is literally a close friend that you also bang, I don't see why the hell you wouldn't be close friends with other people you bang if its open. and if you are a doing that with many people then I don't see what the point is of labeling anyone of them as bf or gf. how would that be any different from just not calling them that?

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kosobi · Wise · -5 points · 2 years ago

Sounds like you don't really understand what you're talking about. I assume it's because you don't really have much experience in the area.

As a person who had a period of intense dating, FWBs and ONSs, let me tell you: it's exhausting. It takes a mountain of effort, in every area. And it's time consuming af. What I mean is that you can't keep doing it ALL the time. And when you want to take a break, it's not like your emotional and physical needs can be put on hold (so a relationship is optimal). That's primo.

Secundo, it's not like those relationships have much of a chance of reaching a deep level of connection. They're superficial, even if you like each other. Because what you truly need in order to connect to the other person is a lot of quality time spent together.

And it's not like those FWBs are going to be with you in a time of peril. It's not like they'll stick around when you're going through a rough patch. Most of them won't.

Most people sleeping around realize this very well, hence their need for something deeper. And sometimes both parties don't feel sexual jelaousy and are fine with their partners sleeping around and enjoy it, too, resulting in them forming an open relationship. It seems to be a very small percentage of people but it happens.

"oh shit yeah forgot you can't have any emotional connections with people that aren't labeled as your bf or gf.
dude even in a monogam relationship you would get support from other people like friends and family." - again, it just looks like you have a very poor understanding of how relationships work. The closeness you feel to your partner differs from the one you feel to your closest friends or family members. Your relationship partner is there to attend to your daily needs, and trying to deal with those needs with someone outside your relationship is usually destructive in consequences. Your best friend/family member isn't there for you to complain about a shitty coworker interactions you have daily, or to fondle your hair while you're falling asleep in their arms.

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SilverTalon17 · Poster of the Year · 5 points · 2 years ago

Thats retarded, nobody is saying relationships are just for sex, but that sex should be just for relationships

Its the most intimate and sacred act two people can engage in, therefore it should only be restricted to people you trully love
Thats why sexual crimes are considered so abhorrent compared to any other violent crime

And this is something most people will agree with, and across multible cultures, not 'sex deprived losers' as you put it, as if thats an insult lol, it doesnt hurt to interact with real humans every once in a while you know

AdvocateDiaboli · Hardcore Commenter · 1 points · 2 years ago

"Thats why sexual crimes are considered so abhorrent"

This statement is nearly exclusive for the modern western society.
I could invalidate that statement at length, but I'll just give 3 examples:

Untill 1996 marital rape was legal in Germany.

in the 16th century and I am sure some time after that, if you raped a woman and she got pregnant she was basically forced to marry you. That same law is still active in many arab countries and is one of the laws that have a world wide tradition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marry-your-rapist_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_sexual_assault is a world wide phenomena, which means that people can openly talk about and plan such a thing.

"compared to any other violent crime"

you mean like murder, aggravated assault, robbery with a weapon - all of which have higher sentences than sexual crimes, reflecting a societies view on those?

I don't care if you want to see sexuality as something to celebrate a sacred bond (I honestly like the idea even so I can't share it) nor do I care about your dispute with Kosobi, but your premises are wrong or thoroughly distorted by a single moral system that doesn't account for other views on morality.

SilverTalon17 · Poster of the Year · 2 points · 2 years ago

Yes i am aware, but thats sorta the reason why i brought rape up in the first place
I would say the reason the west is so fixated on consent is because its the last thing we have to perserve the sactintity of this bond, so obviously i would bring it up when i am having a discussion with another person from the west

As for other cultures, well, they might disagree on this particular example but i believe a lot of them would still agree on the general point about the significance of segs (i mean, wasnt that the entire point of the marry your rapist law?)

That being said, i am not a relativist, i dont care if some tribe in africa likes to have mass rape orgies and sacrifice the resulting children to the poop god, i will still say that it is wrong and they are wrong for doing it

>you mean like murder, aggravated assault, robbery with a weapon - all of which have higher sentences than sexual crimes, reflecting a societies view on those?
I expected a more fair comparison, for example how much would roberry with a weapon get compared to sexual assault with a weapon?

>thoroughly distorted by a single moral system that doesn't account for other views on morality.
As i said, i dont really care, if we had to consult papua new guineans for any moral dillema we have we would never really get anywhere would we?
Thats why we shouldnt base our morality on the mind of man

AdvocateDiaboli · Hardcore Commenter · 2 points · 2 years ago

"I would say the reason the west is so fixated on consent is because its the last thing we have to perserve the sactintity"
I am not sure I agree on this. In general our society became more and more aware of individual rights and limits. E.g. a lot less people are assaulted than 50 years ago, but a lot of people are pressing charges today when they would have just laughed it off back then. We have the same thing with gender and speech etc. We are more sensitive today, even in our speech, even more in our deeds. So I think it's just the general trend that is also visible in sex laws.

"a more fair comparison, for example how much would roberry with a weapon get compared to sexual assault with a weapon?"
In Germany it's the same - minimum 3 years, up to life time. Canada has a minimum of 5 years for rape with a weapon, same for robbery with a gun. I'd say it's pretty much on the same level - on the other hand a robber actively threatens your life, so it is understandable why punishment is so harsh. I guess I can see your point.

I fully agree on your view on morality. Personally I think that a few thousand years of philosophical tradition and a few hundred years of relative freedom might lead to a moral system that is more advanced than others and I firmly believe that there is an objective good and an objective evil in this world. (Makes me a pain in the ass in DnD though.)
Buuuuuut I still wanted to point out that it is a relatively new thing that we view those crimes as the very evil thing they are.

Of course you are right that marry-your-rapist-laws were made because segs was important to those cultures. Still it is less about the well being of someone or about any kind of sacred bond and more about family honor and the woman being less valued because she wasn't a virgin anymore. It is kind of a perverted twist on your view that was somehow prevalent in our society for a long time...

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kosobi · Wise · -2 points · 2 years ago

In his analogy, the only thing that seemed to matter was the eggs and the milk, so the sex. If it wasn't the case, it wouldn't even work lmao

Don't give me that moralistic crap about sex being sacred, thx.

SilverTalon17 · Poster of the Year · 3 points · 2 years ago

Ok then why is me raping a virgin worse than me assaulting some random dude? Lmao

You make moralistic claims all the time, but suddenly its an issue whenever people use it to criticize you? Honestly you have to be the biggest hypocrite i ever interacted with, have fun whoring your gf out for all i care, i am sure thats what every strong masculine male like you does

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kosobi · Wise · -2 points · 2 years ago

Rape is generally a more traumatic experience than assault and some people never recover. Not sure if its always worse, that depends on how much damage youd do to the other person.

Wait, how am I a hypocrite? Wtf are you talking about?

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null · 4 points · 2 years ago

Coming from a guy named cucksobi

plexus · Commenter · 0 points · 2 years ago

Why are you being downvoted?

SilverTalon17 · Poster of the Year · 1 points · 2 years ago

trying to rationalize cucking?

kosobi · Wise · 1 points · 2 years ago

It's simply understanding how they view the world.

But it's only one model of an open relationship. There are plenty of variants.

rey10 · Verified · 2 points · 2 years ago

there is a difference between an open relationship and whats being described in the post. you are trying to rationalize the complete failure of OP as a boyfriend through an unrelated social construct.

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SilverTalon17 · Poster of the Year · 1 points · 2 years ago

Its ok kosobi i am sure she is thinking of you whenever Chad sodomizes her lel

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kosobi · Wise · -2 points · 2 years ago *

People on this site idea of love is tightly connected to the idea of sexual posessivenes. It's probably because they're hardcore deprived.

KumaKumaKuma · 4 points · 2 years ago

Or because people's moral world views are different from yours desu.

I'd like to add another book to the "Books Kosobi is totally gonna debunk"-list :
"The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion" by Jonathan Haidt
(it's honestly intriguing and I'm genuinely recommending it, not trying to be rude)

(I'd also like to add "In the know: Debunking 35 Myths about Human Intelligence" by Russell T. Warne :^)