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KumaKumaKuma · 1 points ·
This is all that I have read up on recently: anything else and I would have to either dig deep(er) in my memory or indulge in conjecture :3(P.S.: It goes without saying that you shouldn't feel guilty for shit others do just because you and them both happen to belong to the same category/groups in some ways. First and foremost we are all individuals, and nothing of what I have read or written implies otherwise)
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The fact that the race differences in arrest rates are practically identical to the race differences of offenders pointed out by victims and reported to the police in victimisation surveys implies that there are real race differences in crime unrelated to police discrimination.
(Beck, A. J. (2021). Race and ethnicity of violent crime offenders and arrestees, 2018. Washington: US Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics.)
In the Scandinavian studies, the general impression by the authors seem to be that part of the differences might be discrimination, but no-one can say how much. It should be noted though that the typical criminologist due to ideological reasons would prefer this "discrimination effect" to be as large as possible. (Savolainen, J. (2024). Unequal treatment under the flaw: Race, crime & retractions. Current Psychology, 43(17), 16002-16014)
Finally, regarding the immigrant situation in Sweden (and the West in general), I wish I could attribute it to something as "rational" as money or blackmail, but I have begun to believe that it is pure ideology. It's pretty much like Lysenkoism in the Soviet union: killing or putting geneticists in camps and driving agricultural science down a dead end because the ideology "demanded it".
(Beck, A. J. (2021). Race and ethnicity of violent crime offenders and arrestees, 2018. Washington: US Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics.)
In the Scandinavian studies, the general impression by the authors seem to be that part of the differences might be discrimination, but no-one can say how much. It should be noted though that the typical criminologist due to ideological reasons would prefer this "discrimination effect" to be as large as possible. (Savolainen, J. (2024). Unequal treatment under the flaw: Race, crime & retractions. Current Psychology, 43(17), 16002-16014)
Finally, regarding the immigrant situation in Sweden (and the West in general), I wish I could attribute it to something as "rational" as money or blackmail, but I have begun to believe that it is pure ideology. It's pretty much like Lysenkoism in the Soviet union: killing or putting geneticists in camps and driving agricultural science down a dead end because the ideology "demanded it".
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KumaKumaKuma · 1 points ·
Obviously, the majority of immigrants are law abiding and presumably intend to do what's right given the option; the majority of the crimes are as a rule committed by a very small minority of people and there is, apparently, strong family/genetic effects: according studies using Swedish national registry data for the whole population:
The probability of an individual committing a violent crime was 4.3 times higher if the person had a full sibling which had committed a violent crime relative to an un-convicted sibling. The probability (more precisely, the odds ratio) decreases as the relatedness to the convicted relative decreases. (Data from the period 1973-2004)
(Frisell, T., Lichtenstein, P., & Långström, N. (2011). Violent crime runs in families: a total population study of 12.5 million individuals. Psychological medicine, 41(1), 97-105.)
The estimated heritability (i.e., the amount of the variation in crime between individuals within a population that can be explained via variation in genes) is roughly 40-65%. The effect of the common environment (environmental factors shared by all siblings within a family) is 0 to 20% while the rest of the variation is due to environmental factors unique to the individual.(e.g., Frisell, T., Pawitan, Y., Långström, N., & Lichtenstein, P. (2012). Heritability, assortative mating and gender differences in violent crime: results from a total population sample using twin, adoption, and sibling models. Behavior genetics, 42(1), 3-18.; Burt, S. A. (2009). Are there meaningful etiological differences within antisocial behavior? Results of a meta-analysis. Clinical psychology review, 29(2), 163-178.)
Regarding the distribution of violent crime: according to Swedish data from the period 1958-1980, 63% of all violent crime were caused by 1% of the population
(Falk, Ö., Wallinius, M., Lundström, S., Frisell, T., Anckarsäter, H., & Kerekes, N. (2014). The 1% of the population accountable for 63% of all violent crime convictions. Social psychiatry and psychiatric epidemiology, 49(4), 559-571.)
Assuming this is true of immigrants as well, then obviously we ought not be "shocked" to find law-abiding immigrants.
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1: I've been trying to find studies about the degree of discrimination within the US justice system (since there seem to be a severe lack of proper studies concerning Scandinavia).
The short answer is that it is neigh impossible to properly measure discrimination because of
a) Several definitions are possible, and these not only differ from one another but are such that it is mathematically >impossible< to all be avoided at once, given actual differences in levels of crime between groups.
b) the methods unavoidably involves making assumptions about police work, priorities, the distribution of crime, etc., which are often impossible to test, which means that
c) given the exact same data but different methods and assumptions, one can draw radically different conclusions.
d) there are also reasons to suspect that different crimes have different levels of (potential) discrimination
e) discrimination might be part of reasonable police work (thus being justified)
f) discrimination might be unrelated to crime, i.e., there is unequal treatment from the police, but the group differences in crime are real and not caused by this (e.g., young males might be treated more harshly by the police, but no-one believes this >causes< their over representation in the crime statistics)
(Neil, R., & Winship, C. (2019). Methodological challenges and opportunities in testing for racial discrimination in policing. Annual Review of Criminology, 2(1), 73-98.)
Regarding violent crimes, there are decent reasons to believe that the discrimination, at least past the "police phase", is low or negligible, at least when comparing the arrest rates, conviction rates, the present prison populations and severity of the punishments once social class, age, sex, previous crime, etc., are taken into account. This at least seems to be the case for violent crimes. The discrepancies are larger for drug crimes.
(Beck, A. J., & Blumstein, A. (2018). Racial disproportionality in US state prisons: Accounting for the effects of racial and ethnic differences in criminal involvement, arrests, sentencing, and time served. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 34(3), 853-883.;
Harris, C. T., Steffensmeier, D., Ulmer, J. T., & Painter-Davis, N. (2009). Are Blacks and Hispanics disproportionately incarcerated relative to their arrests? Racial and ethnic disproportionality between arrest and incarceration. Race and social problems, 1(4), 187-199.
Ferguson, C. J., & Smith, S. (2024). Race, class, and criminal adjudication: Is the US criminal justice system as biased as is often assumed? A meta-analytic review. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 75, 101905.)
Regarding police violence, there is potential discrimination found in data from the "stop and frisk" program in New York city, with blacks being 20% more likely than whites to experience violence, even after taking into account loads of background variables (this is based on the police reports). The discrimination implied by tri-annual nationally representative questionnaire data in which civilians describe their interactions with the police is higher (these data has roughly the same weaknesses as the NYC-stop and frisk data, but mirrored: both gives only one side of the story)
When it comes to incidents involving lethal violence (i.e., police firing their weapon), the same study, using data from detailed police reports from Houston, taking into account loads of background variables, found no significant race differences at all. (If anything, blacks were less likely to be shot relative to whites)
(Fryer Jr, R. G. (2019). An empirical analysis of racial differences in police use of force. Journal of Political Economy, 127(3), 1210-1261.)
The probability of an individual committing a violent crime was 4.3 times higher if the person had a full sibling which had committed a violent crime relative to an un-convicted sibling. The probability (more precisely, the odds ratio) decreases as the relatedness to the convicted relative decreases. (Data from the period 1973-2004)
(Frisell, T., Lichtenstein, P., & Långström, N. (2011). Violent crime runs in families: a total population study of 12.5 million individuals. Psychological medicine, 41(1), 97-105.)
The estimated heritability (i.e., the amount of the variation in crime between individuals within a population that can be explained via variation in genes) is roughly 40-65%. The effect of the common environment (environmental factors shared by all siblings within a family) is 0 to 20% while the rest of the variation is due to environmental factors unique to the individual.(e.g., Frisell, T., Pawitan, Y., Långström, N., & Lichtenstein, P. (2012). Heritability, assortative mating and gender differences in violent crime: results from a total population sample using twin, adoption, and sibling models. Behavior genetics, 42(1), 3-18.; Burt, S. A. (2009). Are there meaningful etiological differences within antisocial behavior? Results of a meta-analysis. Clinical psychology review, 29(2), 163-178.)
Regarding the distribution of violent crime: according to Swedish data from the period 1958-1980, 63% of all violent crime were caused by 1% of the population
(Falk, Ö., Wallinius, M., Lundström, S., Frisell, T., Anckarsäter, H., & Kerekes, N. (2014). The 1% of the population accountable for 63% of all violent crime convictions. Social psychiatry and psychiatric epidemiology, 49(4), 559-571.)
Assuming this is true of immigrants as well, then obviously we ought not be "shocked" to find law-abiding immigrants.
-- -- --
1: I've been trying to find studies about the degree of discrimination within the US justice system (since there seem to be a severe lack of proper studies concerning Scandinavia).
The short answer is that it is neigh impossible to properly measure discrimination because of
a) Several definitions are possible, and these not only differ from one another but are such that it is mathematically >impossible< to all be avoided at once, given actual differences in levels of crime between groups.
b) the methods unavoidably involves making assumptions about police work, priorities, the distribution of crime, etc., which are often impossible to test, which means that
c) given the exact same data but different methods and assumptions, one can draw radically different conclusions.
d) there are also reasons to suspect that different crimes have different levels of (potential) discrimination
e) discrimination might be part of reasonable police work (thus being justified)
f) discrimination might be unrelated to crime, i.e., there is unequal treatment from the police, but the group differences in crime are real and not caused by this (e.g., young males might be treated more harshly by the police, but no-one believes this >causes< their over representation in the crime statistics)
(Neil, R., & Winship, C. (2019). Methodological challenges and opportunities in testing for racial discrimination in policing. Annual Review of Criminology, 2(1), 73-98.)
Regarding violent crimes, there are decent reasons to believe that the discrimination, at least past the "police phase", is low or negligible, at least when comparing the arrest rates, conviction rates, the present prison populations and severity of the punishments once social class, age, sex, previous crime, etc., are taken into account. This at least seems to be the case for violent crimes. The discrepancies are larger for drug crimes.
(Beck, A. J., & Blumstein, A. (2018). Racial disproportionality in US state prisons: Accounting for the effects of racial and ethnic differences in criminal involvement, arrests, sentencing, and time served. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 34(3), 853-883.;
Harris, C. T., Steffensmeier, D., Ulmer, J. T., & Painter-Davis, N. (2009). Are Blacks and Hispanics disproportionately incarcerated relative to their arrests? Racial and ethnic disproportionality between arrest and incarceration. Race and social problems, 1(4), 187-199.
Ferguson, C. J., & Smith, S. (2024). Race, class, and criminal adjudication: Is the US criminal justice system as biased as is often assumed? A meta-analytic review. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 75, 101905.)
Regarding police violence, there is potential discrimination found in data from the "stop and frisk" program in New York city, with blacks being 20% more likely than whites to experience violence, even after taking into account loads of background variables (this is based on the police reports). The discrimination implied by tri-annual nationally representative questionnaire data in which civilians describe their interactions with the police is higher (these data has roughly the same weaknesses as the NYC-stop and frisk data, but mirrored: both gives only one side of the story)
When it comes to incidents involving lethal violence (i.e., police firing their weapon), the same study, using data from detailed police reports from Houston, taking into account loads of background variables, found no significant race differences at all. (If anything, blacks were less likely to be shot relative to whites)
(Fryer Jr, R. G. (2019). An empirical analysis of racial differences in police use of force. Journal of Political Economy, 127(3), 1210-1261.)
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