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davido12345 · 6-Year Club · 4 points · 3 years ago *

Theres actually nothing wrong with having nationalist/patriotic feelings, when your home is threatened it will be normal to feel them... as long as you don't normalize violence and only use it at utmost necessity when you are attacked.

I mean I can even understand that white nationalists for example, just feel that their homes and ways of life are threatened. While that fear is misplaced at minorities, instead of regimes creating these massive migration waves, its coming from a very human and real place of loving your home.

SKOOLKNIGHT · 1 points · 3 years ago *

The fact someone invented the word "white nationalist" is telling enough how much some groups hate the idea of a country with white people.

There's nothing wrong with it being white and there is no need nor obligation to make it non-white... Regardless how much "enrichment" it lacks.

If I would say I'm a Flemish nationalist because I love and respect the society, its culture and people, traditions and language... Some c*ck would try shift the narrative to "white nationalists" because somehow it's wrong for Flanders to be white or whatever. Or because the nationalists happen to be white.

These types try make it a race thing to use it as smokescreen.

davido12345 · 6-Year Club · 2 points · 3 years ago *

Lol I also live in Belgium.

You're just patriotic and that's fine. Its good to care about the place which gave you everything!

SKOOLKNIGHT · 1 points · 3 years ago *

My friend used to be non-patriotic... Until he was stationed in Brussels for a year or two.

Complete 180.

Not all cultures/religions lead towards a stable, wholesome, functional high trust society by default... And it is showing.

Don't change what ain't broken.

Lord_Syphilis · 1 points · 3 years ago

Well that depends.

Do you love Flemish culture and traditions? then you are a Flemish patriot.

Do you see Flemish culture as something only white people can per definition be part of? then you are a Flemish white nationalist.

The difference is that you can be patriotic without making it about race, if you do make it about race then its not the other people coming up with the white nationalism part, they just named it to fit.

I love my country and I love its traditions (mainly starting World Wars whilst blaming Germany for it, hating Germans, definetly not being Germans and so on), but just dont feel like you have to be white for that. Speak our language, follow our rules, and embrace our way of life (mainly means to constantly complain about everything but never actually starting to do something about it) and then you are part of the team.

SKOOLKNIGHT · 1 points · 3 years ago

"Speak our language, follow our rules, and embrace our way of life"

This is what integration is about... But if the numbers are too many, integration just doesn't work. There's no compromise. They should either integrate or admit they don't want to.

And if they don't want to, they should GTFO.

Lord_Syphilis · 1 points · 3 years ago

I was refering to this being my definition of being part of my nation, dont know whether or not this should be a condition for a residence permit. Simply because a residence permit is something official and therefore it would require to make actual criteria of what our "culture" actually is and as soon as you start debating that with anyone else you will find out that there is no such thing as a defineable culture that the actual majority of a country is part of.

Yeah you may throw out a lot of meaningless palatitudes about tradition and shit, but in the end, how many people do you actually know that see these traditions as more than a token, or as a terms of condition agreement that everyone just swipes by and clicks "I agree".

I personally would make "follow our law" as the only really binding code the condition for a residence permit and "maybe learn our language because you aint doing yourself a favor if you wont" more of a strong suggestion. The culture thing is always kind of a problem, because things I consider part of our culture may not be seen in such a manner by other Austrians and vice versa, so who am I to judge?
Best example would be that I personally consider not being German a very very integral part of being Austrian, but many of our self-styled patriots consider Austrians to be Germans by nature...

SKOOLKNIGHT · 1 points · 3 years ago

That cultural nihilistic rhetoric is typical arrogance or ignorance of people living in the West who take their society and their culture that acts as said society's entire foundation, for granted.

No culture is equal. There are cultures better than other cultures.

To rid oneself of the culture is to rid oneself of the society build by that culture.

Change is always happening but that is not an excuse to be nihlist about it.
It can change for bad or for good and most of the times both.
To people to steer it towards a direction with more good than bad.

Changing change is also change.

Regarding the "German" thing. That's mostly semantics. One could opt that they're considered Germanic etc but that depends on the categories chosen to differentiate.

"I personally would make "follow our law" as the only really binding code the condition for a residence permit"

That sounds like cultural nihilism in a nutshell dude. Don't take your functional society for granted.

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SKOOLKNIGHT · 1 points · 3 years ago *

Imagine taking your society, country, culture and people... Your entire way of life for granted...

Only to allow others who don't like it, to replace it.

HONK HONK