_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 1 points · *
Also i'm going to read what you just wrote and respond a little later, because i'm going to bed, but i wanted to tell you something before that.

I asked God about all these weird thngs in the Old Testament, and how it differs from the New Testament.
And i don't know if he answered, but if he did then he said:
The Old Testament was you looking at me, and the New Testament is me looking back and answering.
The Old Testament was my covenant with you, and the New Testament is your covenant with me.
God made to this world and now he wants us back up with him, because we opened our eyes.
And to do that he has to reverse the covenant.
I think this is what Jesus was doing.
He told the pharisees not that their Mosaic laws were brought by Baal or Satan, but that they're actually supposed to be following the one that gave the law. They follow the law written in stone, the God outside, and thus are clean on the outside, but they need to follow law written in heart, the God inside, so that they're clean on the inside too.
The first covenant said to do works and get salvation.
The second covenant says to receive salvation and thus produce works, the fruits of your salvation.
Not works -> salvation.
But salvation -> works.
We prayed for God to take away our sin.
And God answered.
Jesus was God's answer for us.
Jesus is God's word.
A sinless man picking up all of our sin and dying for it!
To be an advocate for God's justice and give us God's mercy.
And also, not to have belief, but to have faith.
Because for some, they use belief to have faith.
But belief is your thoughts and emotions.
And those things can only happen after something. After evidence.
But to reverse this order. To have faith, and thus believe.
To have moving faith, an absolute trust in God, and use that as evidence for your belief.
And you can trust God, because he's Good. He loves you. He loves you so much, he sent his only begotten Son to rescue us.
We need to reverse the way we had faith in the Old Testament.
We have to trust in Jesus.

_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 2 points · *
I'll start with a little disclaimer. I'm not as well versed in theology as i'd like to be, and i might come up with better points in the future, so there might be the possibility that i'll reply to one of your comments in a month or so.

Firstly, the common. It looks like we can agree on the resurrection of Jesus Christ and his teachings.

Let's also say that whatever is happening outside of the New Testament may be up for debate.

You mentioned the fact Baal means Lord 2 times. I'd say that's just a title, and doesn't refer to Baal exclusively.

Matthew 16:21-23 has Peter refering to Jesus as Lord.
"From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”
23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”"

But the problem with this argument is that after being called Lord, Jesus rebuked Peter and called him Satan.

In Matthew 4:7 Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:16 when tempted by the devil.
"Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test."

Now, it would be funnier if the being in Deuteronomy was the beast, not the Father, because that would imply Jesus is using Satan's own words against him.

When asked about the greatest commandment, Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:5
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength."

But you could also argue this can be interpreted as his thoughts on something a different diety has said.

But i did find 2 places where Jesus refers to Father as Lord.
First is in Matthew 11:25
"At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children."

And for the second, you have to bear with me.

Matthew 27:46
"About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”)."
John 19:30
"When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."

Psalms used to not be numbered, and instead were referred to by their beginnings.

Jesus is quoting the beginning and the end of the first and last verses of Psalm 22:
Verse 1
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me, from the words of my groaning?"
Verse 31
"they shall come and proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn,
that he has done it."

Psalm 22 also refers to God as Lord and i think also should be taken into account.

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Also, i think you might have a fun time doing some reading on Tiamat and Marduk.

Tiamat (Cosmic ocean) and Abzu (ab = 'water' + zû = 'deep', reffering to fresh groundwater)
Water is often associated with chaos, and Tiamat is the cosmic equivalent of it, and is often depicted as a sea monster.

Then came Lahmu and Lahamu - the first twins of mixing waters

Anshar and Kishar - the twin horizons of the universe

Then Anu, the God of sky (Zeus?)

Enki / Ea the God of fresh-water and Wisdom that put Abzu to sleep and killed him.

and finally Marduk, the storm God that killed Tiamat and split her body to create the earth and sky.
The way Marduk killed Tiamat and used her body to create mirrors what God did to Leviathan.

Psalm 74:13-14
"13 It was you who split open the sea by your power;
you broke the heads of the monster in the waters.
14 It was you who crushed the heads of Leviathan
and gave it as food to the creatures of the desert."

Note here that it also says Leviathan has multiple heads

Job 41 is a good descriptor.
Job 41:18-19
"18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;
its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out."

The Leviathan God killed had multiple heads and it spew fire. It had lights coming out of its eyes

2 Corinthians 11:14
"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."

Isaiah 27 "On that day the Lord with his relentless, large, strong sword will bring judgment on Leviathan, the fleeing serpent—Leviathan, the twisting serpent. He will slay the monster that is in the sea."

Certain prophecies of the future are said as if they happened in the past because of the absolute guarantee of them happening. Like in Revelation 20:10
"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

I'm considering that Leviathan is not yet destroyed, but restrained. That it's the first beast.

I ran out of things to say for now.

_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 2 points ·
I have to ask, what scripture are you basing your beliefs from? I'd like to know what exactly i'm talking to.

"Im a bit unsure of who created Adam in the garden"

Genesis 2:7
"Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

Are you making a point that you don't believe in the Old Testament?

"YHWH in particular does not seem to be Jesus's father. First of all because most if not all the people he chooses as his champions are garbage people"

Here you compare the God of the Old Testament as YHWH, the being you consider to be the first beast. Was this a slip-up, or do you think the Old-Testament God is the beast?

"Jesus time and time emphasises that his father is very similar to himself, and Jesus only displays good characteristics."

Yes, because they're of the same nature.
John 10:30
"I and the Father are one"

John 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
Matthew 11:25
"At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children."
John 10:31-33
"Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”"

Ask yourself, what according to the pharisees was the blasphemy Jesus committed?

"Furthermore Jesus also says that no man has seen the father; while beings like YHWH spends hours with David in the temple."

The temple didn't exist before Solomon built it. But I'm guessing you're referring to the Tabernacle.
You're saying 2 things here.
1) The presence David felt was YHWH (the first beast, according to you)
2) The Father is not the God because nobody has seen the Father.

Exodus 33:20
"But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”"
Moses didn't see God, he saw a theophany. You can see a manifestation of God, and live. Therefore you can't use this as proof that the being who's presence David felt was not God.

John 6:46
"No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."
Jesus, son of God, seems to be talking about the Father as the same being that spoke to Moses, and makes no contradictions here.

"While the old testament is biblical history, its been deliberately construed so as to make it appear that the jews god is the same as the christians god. Which i assume we both can agree on is a ridiculous notion."

Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

John 5:45-47
“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”

There's nothing ridiculous here. Jesus came to fulfill the law of Moses, and so he did. Matthew 23 covers a lot of the issues with blindly following laws written in stone, not in hearts.

"The word of God is not the bible, the word of God is Jesus"

Jesus really is the word of God. Good that we have that sorted.

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14
"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

Also, what are your thoughts on the resurrection of Jesus?

_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 1 points · *
I've never heard a take like this before.

Tell me if I've understood your words clearly:
1) The Old Testament God is God
2) YHWH/Allah is the first beast
3) Lucifer is the second beast
4) Muhammed is the false prophet that's tricking people into a contract with YHWH/Allah

I'd like to wrestle with God, so if i understand you correctly, then my questions are: who is Jesus, and who is his Father according to you?

_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 1 points · *
Your logic against me stands. Heretics will indeed see everyone else's beliefs as heresy.
Therefore this kind of plain accusing is meaningless. To see who's in the truth, you must look and see - according to who's beliefs would scripture be considered heresy? Not according to mine, as i use scripture to base my beliefs. Yet you use paintings and hearsay.

_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 1 points · *
Funny how you mentioned Hagia Sophia, as it reminded me why the word "sophistic" exists.

_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 1 points ·
But you didn't choose dick; dick chose you. Same when you get raped. Is being chosen gay?

_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 2 points ·
What's gayer - wanting dick or needing dick?

_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 4 points · *
Having a gf is like having a bf only less gay

_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 1 points · *
"You started the beef."
Yes.

"If you want to be all humble and conciliatory now, do it properly."
Sure.

"Uhm, I am sorry from the bottom of my heart for trying to psychoanalyze and pidgeon-holing you"
I am.

"and you couldn't take it because you are chronically online"
I never said that.

"You're chronically online enough to come up with bizarre schemes in comment sections."
It's just an apology, not a scheme.

"Drop the fake humble mature person act"
If i was a humble, mature person, i wouldn't have started this beef in the first place.

"I'm sure I'm not the first person you turned off with it"
This is the first time i've apologized to someone on the internet after a huge fight. I'm not good at apologies, give me a break.

I'm sorry for starting the fight. I shouldn't have done that.


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