there is no ***ing equivalence between leftist dehumanization and violence towards the right on the conservative/MAGA/republican side and you know it. The alt-right isn't a thing anymore and it's because the aforementioned very clearly made a delineation between themselves and those ***ing wignat retards. the democrats and liberals *do not do the same* with their extremists. that is why they keep calling trump and anyone who is pro-trump a fascist and say it's good to kill them. you'll notice how the right hasn't burned down city blocks in response to this. that is the modus operandi of the left. you will also not see mainstream republicans excuse this as necessary or inevitable like democrats do. either you are thick as concrete or just a liar. And if you think this is an american issue only: Here's a video of a EU parliament session where someone yields his remaining speaking time for a minute of silence for chalie and what do all these respectable, reasonable liberals and leftist do from parties like the SPD? They say that the minute of silence was not permitted *in advance* and the other liberals ***ing cheer for disregarding it. Dude was told he cannot disavow political violence from the left in the EU parliament by sacrificing his own speaking time. If the side were reversed people like you would have 100% lost their shit over it. Can you see how I can not see this as anything else than you acting oblivious and being a propagandist?

you thinking that there is an equivalence here is the mark of lesser intelligence. "You cannot treat tyrannical, genocidal collectivists who exclude anyone who isn't as vitriolic and radical as them from their ranks as a collective of tyrannical, genocidal collectivists in self-defense. That makes you just as bad as them."

this is what your pals are doing to justify killing us btw. i do not care about moral admonishments from ***ing demons.

sorry, but do you really care about the opinion of a racist, fascist, homophobic transphobe, who wants to genocide trans people, palestinians, wants to enslave women, who does not care if children die, who hates refugees...I could keep going. Are you getting it yet? The left has dehumanized us and lied about us for decades. It has been amping itself up consistently to justify murdering us. You guys need to do the house keeping, not us. we are not initiating the violence and hatred, you are.

again: you might just be doing the window-dressing. After all: how could any decent person identify as a leftist in 2025? How could any sane person put the onus of responsibility on the right to do some critical self-reflection, not the left? Why would anyone, after seeing people cheer in the crowd *directly* after kirk was murdered, think to themselves: "Yea this is kinda bad, but like...let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. We still need to get that utopia going...where people like kirk do not exist."

flim is just a shit-heel.

you have to stop thinking you can interact with these sorts of people by your standards. they do not care. this is why leftist as such scum. they fundamentally do not care about being moral. they do not even care about being right. they just care about getting their way. everything else is just window-dressing. they only appeal to things like justice as a way of fooling you. if you want a reference: the demons in frieren. that's what they're like. this isn't even exclusive to the left. its just the political wing that has allowed these sorts of psychopaths and narcissists to flourish within their ranks the most. thats why people keep referencing the quote by Frank Herbert:

“When I am weak I ask for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.”

Don't try to understand them or debate them. They've made abundantly clear they do not care about dialogue. And so they can block you from having one by just refusing to play. What made these people this way? *** knows. Doesn't matter. They're just evil. You don't need to comprehend it. If anything, you trying and failing is what they want. The only thing you need to know is that people like this have one objective: Getting theirs. They will do and say anything to get their way. And one of their favorite ways of getting there is to incense those around them so that they can pull them down to their level. It's all mind games. The best thing to do is to mock them and make them feel stupid. Or just straight up ignore them. Them being inside your head is what they want. Make them feel insignificant. Nothing hurts them more.

I know all that but it is fundamentally true that legal gun ownership will increase the probability of those things occurring simply because there are more in circulation/available. But as you said: the frequency of those incidents is not as strongly correlated with availability of guns as it is with other factors. If anything it's a minor contribution. Plus: anti gun people always ignore the No. 1 commonality between shootings in the US: spree shooters pick places where guns are banned/their victims are unarmed. And the most important reason for me is being able to defend yourself against a tyrannical government. A position that, especially after the COVID lockdowns, becomes more vindicated by the day. The British govt would never have gone as far as it has if its citizens were properly armed. There are tradeoffs for everything. And the more I see the left spiral into murderous lunatics, the less I accept that I shouldn't be able to own a gun. The tradeoff of spree shooters becoming marginally more common due to the 2nd amendment when compared to the other, much more important causes of mass shootings, stands in no relation to making people become defenseless against violence of the state or criminals who will obtain weapons either way. And when you are in a self-defence situation: that shit is over in seconds. The police are not there to protect you from that BC they can't. They can only disincentivise it through negative consequences after the fact. That won't help you when some psycho pulls a knife on you inside an alley tomorrow. A gun on your hip does. And given how courts are letting people like this roam the streets and police are arresting people for tweets instead of violent crime and then spoof statistics to push a narrative, I do not see why, of any time in my life, it is now that I should be completely on board with surrendering the monopoly on force to the state. A state that is run by nepo-babies that can have all the luxury beliefs they want without ever risking their own skin.

You said it doesn't bother you. That means it's not a problem to you. That is tacit consent. You are just too stupid to realize you are being evil. Especially since you did it based on disinfo.

> Out of context quotes and intentional, deceptive oversimplifications (i.e. malicious disinformation) excuse murder.
I know that gun rights lead to shootings. I still prefer to have means to defend myself from criminals for law abiding citizens since the criminals will just find other means to kill innocents. For reference: knife crime in European cities and trucks of peace.
Does that opinion make it ok to murder me? If not then why is it ok to kill Charlie Kirk?

Why would you take away my excuse to nuke California?