HowAreWeNotDead · Casual Commenter · 1 points ·
Ja, I get that. I'm not passing moral judgement one way or the other, I just think that people get mixed up on what the argument is even about.
For example, I can't legally sign a contract where the terms are that I become a slave to the other party. I may have consented, but the law sets a floor for what is possible to consent to. The contract is void and unenforceable, regardless of my consent.
This is not quite the same, because I don't think there is any significant suggestion that it should be flat-out illegal to participate in an orgy. What there is though, is an expectation of greater scrutiny and care.
You know how "being of sound mind" is included in certain significant contracts, like your will; but not in less significant ones, like you buying a pack of cigarettes on credit? The weight of an agreement does necessarily affect the degree of clear-mindedness required for consent to be considered acceptably certain. IMO the argument here is largely about how that threshold is determined in relation to sex.
I definitely fall more on the side that considers sex a significant enough act to warrant clear-minded consent. I also believe that there are degrees to a sexual act, and the more out there; the more clear the needed consent. I do not think it's unreasonable to expect that some dudes think "hold on a sec, this *** is completely ***ed up, we could get into so much shit if we go through with this" instead of gangbanging her. IMO that would be a better, stronger, less degenerate culture.
For example, I can't legally sign a contract where the terms are that I become a slave to the other party. I may have consented, but the law sets a floor for what is possible to consent to. The contract is void and unenforceable, regardless of my consent.
This is not quite the same, because I don't think there is any significant suggestion that it should be flat-out illegal to participate in an orgy. What there is though, is an expectation of greater scrutiny and care.
You know how "being of sound mind" is included in certain significant contracts, like your will; but not in less significant ones, like you buying a pack of cigarettes on credit? The weight of an agreement does necessarily affect the degree of clear-mindedness required for consent to be considered acceptably certain. IMO the argument here is largely about how that threshold is determined in relation to sex.
I definitely fall more on the side that considers sex a significant enough act to warrant clear-minded consent. I also believe that there are degrees to a sexual act, and the more out there; the more clear the needed consent. I do not think it's unreasonable to expect that some dudes think "hold on a sec, this *** is completely ***ed up, we could get into so much shit if we go through with this" instead of gangbanging her. IMO that would be a better, stronger, less degenerate culture.

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