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fluibron · Pepe Collector · 47 points · 4 years ago *

Unrelated, but it's true that the judiciary system is sexist. Women generally get lighter sentences or avoid them entirely.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002

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gaiboi445 · -3 points · 4 years ago

You're right but I wouldn't necessary call it sexism. Instinctively, we are more likely to believe a woman in distress rather than a man, right? Which is a problem, not saying it isn't.

Yeah, yeah. Same comparison could be made with racism. We are inherently wired to be wary of different looking people compared to us.

I guess where I'm going with this is that terms racism, sexism and other are thrown around too casually.

Lord_ · Verified · 15 points · 4 years ago

well, how is what you described not sexism? yes, it may not be actively "i hate women"-sexism, but it's still treating ppl different bc they're men or women

cedric · Supporter · 9 points · 4 years ago *

>we are more likely to believe a woman in distress rather than a man

This falls within the definition of sexism.

>We are inherently wired to be wary of different looking people compared to us

This falls within the definition of racism.

Sexism/racism isn't always "I hate women/blacks/whatnot because I feel superior to them, let's oppress them lol ", but often more subtle and sometime subconscious.

Lord_Syphilis · 5 points · 4 years ago *

I too would argue for it to be sexist. I am not blaming anyone for subconscious racism or sexism, but we need to realize that still is sexist/racist, and at least try to do something about this.

I am trying to do my part by reducing men on their looks just the way I do with women. Its not sexist, but just ***ry if you do it with everyone. Also its kinda fun to watch men getting visibly confused if you tell them theyd even be pretty if they just smiled more.

cicero101 · 5-Year Club · 2 points · 4 years ago

which begs the question if unconscious sexism/racism is sexim/racism and if it should be treated equally in the eyes of society and law.
No, I'm not proposing an answer to that.

gaiboi445 · 5 points · 4 years ago *

You're all right guys, we're arguing semantics. It is sexism but mostly unconscious. I just wanted to separate them into their own category.

SteveTheMage · 1 points · 4 years ago

You’re literally describing a situation being influenced by sexism. Like, only and entirely by sexism.

Flim · 5-Year Club · 20 points · 4 years ago

fuqmaluq · 2 points · 4 years ago

examine the reasons, this aint conclusive enough

SKOOLKNIGHT · 2 points · 4 years ago

The reason why one commits crime doesn't often excuse the person for committing crime. But yeah, it's not conclusive enough.

Same goes for people claiming cops are racist as well as for people claiming black people are criminals. But I guess we all know that already.

fuqmaluq · 3 points · 4 years ago *

never said it excused it, as you say, Im just saying that the initial conclusion is limited.

DestroyerShadow · 6-Year Club · 0 points · 4 years ago

Why doesnt the government give black people money every month to help them get out of poverty oh wait.

Flim · 5-Year Club · 0 points · 4 years ago

HammerHeart · 7-Year Club · 0 points · 4 years ago

The reason is biology.

pototoz · Silver Club · 5 points · 4 years ago

per capita?

(on other stats, blacks serve 10% longer sentences for the same crimes as whites, but women serve 60% shorter sentences than men for the same crimes).

Lord_Syphilis · 4 points · 4 years ago

Blacks currently serve around 19.5% longer on average for same crime in same circumstances. I know, small detail, but its almost twice of what you stated. Unfortunately I dont have the study at hand, but it was in the washington post.

pototoz · Silver Club · 1 points · 4 years ago

Fair enough, you are a welcome bringer of truth.

123nemmo · OP · 1 points · 4 years ago

They take previous criminal record into account.

Weezle · 7-Year Club · 3 points · 4 years ago

Why yes of course, the system is not only racist, but also sexist and much more. You're starting to get it

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123nemmo · OP · -1 points · 4 years ago

Proof, please?

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Weezle · 7-Year Club · -1 points · 4 years ago

Please attend literally any kind of sociology class

123nemmo · OP · 1 points · 4 years ago

Already did. It redpilled me.

shaunpuma · 2 points · 4 years ago

Why do black people conduct more crime? Unless you're arguing that there is a genetic component, then you have to acknowledge that it is the society and lack of wealth that blacks grow up with that lead them to commit these crimes. So you agree that it is a systemic issue that can only be fixed by increasing the education budget.

There are dozens of studies that prove that race, genetically has little to no effect on intelligence.

SKOOLKNIGHT · 4 points · 4 years ago

When it comes to wealth... I believe the problem is relative poverty.
Absolute poverty is not a cause for crime (unless it gets to the point of famine).

The world (west in particular) is bombarded with propaganda, advertisements and an unhealthy fixation on "getting rich in order to be truly happy" by big media, all in order to get money.

One is only rich when he's rich to the point of the absurd. Get rich or die trying. Get a big ass house, big ass cars, a swimming pool, a boat... Only when you have this standard of living you can truly "be happy".
Look at most music clips of pop culture. It's *** in general. They're worshipping wealth and status as if it were a god.

Combine that with the brainwashing of youth with "thug culture" and "gangsta shit"...

Less fortunate people and middle class people get a fake image pressed in their face, of how it should be, everyday... Some would think there'd be something wrong with their life. There are many people that commit crime not because they have to but because they think they have to.

shaunpuma · 1 points · 4 years ago

I agree with you. I think another component that pushes people towards "thug culture" is desperate poverty that they live in. 63% of Americans don't have enough savings to afford a $500 bill. They have no chance of paying an unexpected medical bill, taking themselves out of the disadvantaged areas with terrible public schools, or even going to college to improve their situation. And a huge proportion of these Americans are minorities.

When you're living paycheck to paycheck and meal to meal I'm not surprised that people turn to crime. I agree that it's more of an economic issue than a race issue though, which is why you also see "white trash" culture in the South.

DestroyerShadow · 6-Year Club · 1 points · 4 years ago *

Why don't you try to find why black people are in poverty all the time compared to other races despite the government giving them welfare to help them out for years now and also doing minority programs in universities. Being poor doesnt justify committing murder or armed assault on innocent people.

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123nemmo · OP · -1 points · 4 years ago

Is there any proof it's all because of wealth? I've done a lot of research on this and have found nothing satisfactory.

shaunpuma · 0 points · 4 years ago *

https://whyy.org/articles/breaking-poverty-crime-poverty-often-linked/
Often when people are exposed to alternative viewpoints their minds reject them due to confirmation bias. Crime and poverty are extremely correlated, in almost every city in the world.

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Skipclasseatass · 3-Year Club · -2 points · 4 years ago

If race has no effect on intelligence, then why are black people on average less intelligent than asian or whote people?

shaunpuma · 1 points · 4 years ago

I just answered this above. Most African Americans are in impoverished areas with little to no access to good public education.

Genetically, there are more differences within a race than between races.

"In 1972, Richard Lewontin performed a FST statistical analysis using 17 markers (including blood-group proteins). He found that the majority of genetic differences between humans (85.4 percent) were found within a population, 8.3 percent were found between populations within a race and 6.3 percent were found to differentiate races (Caucasian, African, Mongoloid, South Asian Aborigines, Amerinds, Oceanians, and Australian Aborigines in his study)."

Skipclasseatass · 3-Year Club · 1 points · 4 years ago

"genetically, there are more differences within a race than between races"

Yes, i realize that there is a lot of variability in humans. I know that not every black person is dumber than every white person or vice-versa. What i'm trying to tell you is that the average black man is slightly stupider than the average white man.

There are obviously differences between races and most of them are fine to talk about and accept (melatonin levels, black people being better at endurance, aisans being shorter...), but i don't know why everyone has such a problem accepting that intelligence is also a little bit racialy dependent.

shaunpuma · 1 points · 4 years ago

I'm saying that the fact that the Average black person gets lower scores in SATs etc. than the average white person is due to environment, not genetics. It has been predicted that 1/4 of the effectiveness of education is based on factors at home.

If you think that intelligence is racially dependent you have to identify a selection pressure. Was there any selection pressure that existed in China that did not exist in Europe that genetically made it favorable for Chinese people to be "better at math"? No? In that case we can assume that this is just a cultural stereotype. There is no genetic connection between pigmentation in one's skin and their intelligence.

Skipclasseatass · 3-Year Club · 1 points · 4 years ago

Why would i need to identify a selection pressure? It is perfectly possible that however many years ago when humans first went to europe they randomly had higher intelligence genes. Identify the selection pressure, because of which more white people have blonde hair than any other race then, if that's apparentlly needed.

I admit that data from SATs isn't the best to use for the argument. So take a look at a map of average IQ worldwide, you'll see that africa has a lower average IQ than anywhere else. Yes i realize IQ is also affected by the environment, but I don't believe the environment is entirely to blame for the 40IQ difference beetween sub-saharan africa and the more developed parts of the world.

I agree that there is no genetic correlation beetween pigmentation and intelligence, but race isn't just based on pigmentation in one's skin. It's a group of many genetic traits and i believe intelligence is one of them.

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memeforce1 · 1 points · 4 years ago

saying this is equivalent to throwing yourself under the WokeMobMobile

Just_No · 1 points · 4 years ago

I don't get it.