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Revolver0celot · Wise · 26 points · 5 years ago
Letting people under 18 drive vehicles that can kill themselves and random strangers if mishandled
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damnstraight · -4 points · 5 years ago
If you want to pull out the "car are dangerous" cards, you should also pull out the "alcohol kills around 10 times more people than car accidents (while also being part of it)" card.
I'm not willing to be a dick, but please stay coherent. Let people drive cars and drink at 12.
I'm not willing to be a dick, but please stay coherent. Let people drive cars and drink at 12.
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damnstraight · 0 points · 5 years ago
After seeing your posts, I have to bend before your knowledge of what is cringe or not, considering the amount of cringness you somehow master to melt together.
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ramzigandalf · 7-Year Club · 0 points · 5 years ago
Better than posting circlejerk shit to bootlick people in ***ing hugelol. You're a pathetic loser and it shows hard. Get a personality weak shit
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TheManWhoCan · Verified · 1 points · 5 years ago
ok so lets ban alcohol 10 times as much for people under 18
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damnstraight · 1 points · 5 years ago
Look at how much people here defend alcohol, while making fun when students have to go in insane debts or have the right to smoke when under 21.
I'm sorry but I don't bite that logic. I already picked up some alcoholics from either the street or even the countryside when they just wandered and fell in the gap of the road. Alcohol wreaks havoc among humans and we still pretend this isn't a problem.
I'm sorry but I don't bite that logic. I already picked up some alcoholics from either the street or even the countryside when they just wandered and fell in the gap of the road. Alcohol wreaks havoc among humans and we still pretend this isn't a problem.
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cicero101 · 5-Year Club · 10 points · 5 years ago
Letting people under 18 not have an abortion because they are not mature enough to make that decision. But surely mature enough to be a parent!
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roseturtle · -6 points · 5 years ago
This is just a meme and falls apart the second logic is applied to it. It is assumed they would put the baby up for adoption. Even if they don't, it's a kid. People are made to be parents. It's too heavy a burden to let a girl become a murderer. It's incomparable to being a parent.
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cicero101 · 5-Year Club · 6 points · 5 years ago
Sure if you go full pro-life and tell the girl that abortion equals murder and how horrible of a person she'd be to do that. Then it is too much of a burden.
My nephew should be happy. Once he kicked his grandfather out of anger for something I can't remember. Lego was involved.
I should have had an intervention with him how that was assault and he should be jailed and is a disgusting piece of scum.
I mean, it's absolutely true (sarcasm). It just would too much of a burden...
Let's ignore the pro-life/pro-choice stuff now.
The point is that you can not simply presume that everything is fine and dandy and that she will put it up for adoption. Laws shouldn't come with any implicit presumptions except that people will follow them. Too much up for interpretation for judge and jury.
"Even if they don't, it's a kid. People are made to be parents."
And that is just hilarious. Have that 15 year old highschooler who is still going through puberty, has no income, relationship or even time [1] get a child. Why not? It will have the most glorious childhood.
[1] doesn't have to be the case but it's too probable to ignore!
My main position is:
The pro life crowd should be far more concerned with how to deal with those unwanted / unexpected children and how to give them a good life instead of just throwing them out there and have a moral orgasm that they helped another person being homeless.
I refer to George Carlins position on pro-life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmMvsAjCkog
Cheers
My nephew should be happy. Once he kicked his grandfather out of anger for something I can't remember. Lego was involved.
I should have had an intervention with him how that was assault and he should be jailed and is a disgusting piece of scum.
I mean, it's absolutely true (sarcasm). It just would too much of a burden...
Let's ignore the pro-life/pro-choice stuff now.
The point is that you can not simply presume that everything is fine and dandy and that she will put it up for adoption. Laws shouldn't come with any implicit presumptions except that people will follow them. Too much up for interpretation for judge and jury.
"Even if they don't, it's a kid. People are made to be parents."
And that is just hilarious. Have that 15 year old highschooler who is still going through puberty, has no income, relationship or even time [1] get a child. Why not? It will have the most glorious childhood.
[1] doesn't have to be the case but it's too probable to ignore!
My main position is:
The pro life crowd should be far more concerned with how to deal with those unwanted / unexpected children and how to give them a good life instead of just throwing them out there and have a moral orgasm that they helped another person being homeless.
I refer to George Carlins position on pro-life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmMvsAjCkog
Cheers
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Legacy_kyd · Pepe Collector · 0 points · 5 years ago
Well since you put aside the life/choice arguments
1.) The solution:
Yeah I saw on FB where Some Scandinavian country privatized unwanted pregnancies
Where they give out loans depending on context (age/income etc.)
So no dependency on Government
But it's effective (according to the same FB post so I don't know how true this is)
^ That is what I would want
2.) on the George Carlin position for pro-life for "not-caring after birth"
Such as foodstamps/welfare
I would point you to Milton Friedman or if you prefer lesser defamation economist: Thomas Sowell (I prefer Thomas Sowell cuz of his voice and for me his much more clearer/to the point.) And less negative press on Thomas so you can read without the media bias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZlsR3tNI_c (Milton of Welfare 9:14)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VrANfyzuW8 (Sowell on Welfare 2:54)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZDcMjz2hVk (Sowell on minimum wage 7:36)
TLDR BEGIN
If you want more modern rendition of these two
I refer you to John Stossel
He has tons of videos showing the inefficiencies of Government (As they make promises for the voters using the money of said voters thinking their promises are effective)
Compared to the efficiencies of markets (As they sell products for the consumer using their own money/investment)
Difference
Government wants votes
How? : Laws and taxes of voters
Markets want profits
How? : Good products using their OWN Money
Conclusion: Using your own money or having skin in the game drive towards making a new product is very different than promising to do the same using someone else's money. (an infinite amount of money May I add due to the Printing of money)
Famous example: Education
If we follow "Care after their born"
We would help these students by paying a portion of their tuition
Oh wait we do.
And that's how tuition rises 300% since 2000
https://ideas.repec.org/p/sek/iacpro/9211398.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTjnpJvZrwM
It's called subsidies+Supply/Demand Law
It's the government Knowing Economics yet staying in silent to get them young votes for education laws
What happens when you let the free market Do their own thing in education?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swiCHcdqJ7Y (John Stossel total 5:46)
Also Private schools compete with the government who makes laws on how to function
Ie. A john Stossel video where some private school in some place with low population is FORCED to create unnecessary buildings/libraries. Regardless of how few the community has as students. Cause law
Which almost destroyed the private school
So yes I do agree with George Carlin
However It shouldn't be the Government's job to do it as they do it for votes.
Free Market does it for profits. (scale-able profits. Not necessary high prices of products)
With competition (more choices for the end-user) Supply goes up. Demand doesn't move (Cuz education's demand is always high) THEN the prices decrease
Supply/Demand Law is followed naturally
Without having the people depend on Government's "We will give you X for votes" and then pay people's courses regardless of society's demand for said course.
TLDR END
TLDR Summary:
Reason why conservatives "don't care after birth"
Is because the Market is a better/efficient welfare organization than the Government
Evidence?
Read the Begin-End paragraphs
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+ As a pro-life I wouldn't consider abortion=murder. That literally helps no one physically/psychologically. However.
To make use of consistency. All evidence points to the right to live of a fetus once it has "some brain cells" (The arbitrary/lack of information stems where to draw the line for the fetus/babies right to live starts has the argument)
This ain't Eugenics where we cancel/"kidnap" babies for not having the perfect gene or deformities or socio-economics status. (As the conspiracy theory goes on a suspected nazi sympathizer on their "missing" child for the child having deformities in the bone)
Cheers
1.) The solution:
Yeah I saw on FB where Some Scandinavian country privatized unwanted pregnancies
Where they give out loans depending on context (age/income etc.)
So no dependency on Government
But it's effective (according to the same FB post so I don't know how true this is)
^ That is what I would want
2.) on the George Carlin position for pro-life for "not-caring after birth"
Such as foodstamps/welfare
I would point you to Milton Friedman or if you prefer lesser defamation economist: Thomas Sowell (I prefer Thomas Sowell cuz of his voice and for me his much more clearer/to the point.) And less negative press on Thomas so you can read without the media bias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZlsR3tNI_c (Milton of Welfare 9:14)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VrANfyzuW8 (Sowell on Welfare 2:54)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZDcMjz2hVk (Sowell on minimum wage 7:36)
TLDR BEGIN
If you want more modern rendition of these two
I refer you to John Stossel
He has tons of videos showing the inefficiencies of Government (As they make promises for the voters using the money of said voters thinking their promises are effective)
Compared to the efficiencies of markets (As they sell products for the consumer using their own money/investment)
Difference
Government wants votes
How? : Laws and taxes of voters
Markets want profits
How? : Good products using their OWN Money
Conclusion: Using your own money or having skin in the game drive towards making a new product is very different than promising to do the same using someone else's money. (an infinite amount of money May I add due to the Printing of money)
Famous example: Education
If we follow "Care after their born"
We would help these students by paying a portion of their tuition
Oh wait we do.
And that's how tuition rises 300% since 2000
https://ideas.repec.org/p/sek/iacpro/9211398.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTjnpJvZrwM
It's called subsidies+Supply/Demand Law
It's the government Knowing Economics yet staying in silent to get them young votes for education laws
What happens when you let the free market Do their own thing in education?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swiCHcdqJ7Y (John Stossel total 5:46)
Also Private schools compete with the government who makes laws on how to function
Ie. A john Stossel video where some private school in some place with low population is FORCED to create unnecessary buildings/libraries. Regardless of how few the community has as students. Cause law
Which almost destroyed the private school
So yes I do agree with George Carlin
However It shouldn't be the Government's job to do it as they do it for votes.
Free Market does it for profits. (scale-able profits. Not necessary high prices of products)
With competition (more choices for the end-user) Supply goes up. Demand doesn't move (Cuz education's demand is always high) THEN the prices decrease
Supply/Demand Law is followed naturally
Without having the people depend on Government's "We will give you X for votes" and then pay people's courses regardless of society's demand for said course.
TLDR END
TLDR Summary:
Reason why conservatives "don't care after birth"
Is because the Market is a better/efficient welfare organization than the Government
Evidence?
Read the Begin-End paragraphs
-------------------------------
+ As a pro-life I wouldn't consider abortion=murder. That literally helps no one physically/psychologically. However.
To make use of consistency. All evidence points to the right to live of a fetus once it has "some brain cells" (The arbitrary/lack of information stems where to draw the line for the fetus/babies right to live starts has the argument)
This ain't Eugenics where we cancel/"kidnap" babies for not having the perfect gene or deformities or socio-economics status. (As the conspiracy theory goes on a suspected nazi sympathizer on their "missing" child for the child having deformities in the bone)
Cheers
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cicero101 · 5-Year Club · 1 points · 5 years ago
"As a pro-life I wouldn't consider abortion=murder. That literally helps no one physically/psychologically. However."
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"People are made to be parents. It's too heavy a burden to let a girl become a murderer."
huh....
nothing to add
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"People are made to be parents. It's too heavy a burden to let a girl become a murderer."
huh....
nothing to add
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Legacy_kyd · Pepe Collector · 1 points · 5 years ago
I say nothing of sorts
The only 2 points of my post is
1.) I agree with you in
a. abortion NOT = murder
b. We should care more about helping said kids even after birth like George Carlin
2.) explain why (or maybe call it "logically defend" which is also true) Conservatives "Don't care after birth" mentality.
A Show the videos/spearheads where I realized that Government action sucks 90% of the time.
B Give philosophical/logical reasons why (Gov=votes, Business=money, We get to use votes once a year or something, We can boycott business 24/7 as long as it isn't a monopoly/crony)
Crony is another term for being dependent on a government.
Why depend on a government if they have limited power? (weak)
Unless they aren't. (So it's important for democracies to find monopolies/cronies/government having "too much" power)
Society/Market follows supply/demand law (Which is naturally a human nature)
Government forces society to follow their policies (Which may or may not be based on false/misleading facts)
The market requires your own time/energy/money to make sure that the product is good or else your broke and burned all your money for nothing
Government uses other people money and may or may not use that efficiently
(Why use it efficiently where you have technically have infinite amount of money. BUT Finite amount of "outrage points" to nudge the budget into whatever product your working on)
C Give statistical proof in my short videos
Unemployment for all race (mostly blacks) and the wealth of blacks DECREASED after minimum wage (This is the time with racism by the way) (The Thomas Sowell one)
Subsidizing education INCREASED tuition (The pragerU one)
Welfare discourages to climb up the economic ladder as they receive lesser welfare and more taxes (The Milton one)
Welfare / Minimum wage / Subsidizing education these 3 sound like "care after birth"
and FAILED miserably.
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OPINION Start
(Well I do like minimum wage. Maybe only apply it to big businesses and not to small businesses cuz small businesses are the ones who have to pay for the 'burden' of minimum wage)
Ie. Some Small businesses only need extra workers during peak hours but NOT during where they still have to pay the same rate.
I'd Prefer Minimum wage rate where I can work in a restaurant at evening then janitor by day in different business. Each businesses pay half of the minimum wage. I get to work ONLY during peak hours. While I get to have full wage with less than the current 8 hr work. turned into 6 hrs
OPINION End
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D Give 'solution' to life after birth problem without use of government
The FB Post where a private loaning bank/company where they specializes on the welfare of the mother
Apparently it decreased abortion rates AND incentives mothers to find work (Which reduces further unwanted pregnancies significantly)
TLDR:
So yeah I have nothing to add other than to defend the idea of "not caring after birth" cuz we care after birth
And we do care how we do it with our limited resources most efficiently
^ That by the way is the literal definition of economics
evidence shows it shouldn't be done by government. It should be done with businesses as it is the most effective/efficient
The only 2 points of my post is
1.) I agree with you in
a. abortion NOT = murder
b. We should care more about helping said kids even after birth like George Carlin
2.) explain why (or maybe call it "logically defend" which is also true) Conservatives "Don't care after birth" mentality.
A Show the videos/spearheads where I realized that Government action sucks 90% of the time.
B Give philosophical/logical reasons why (Gov=votes, Business=money, We get to use votes once a year or something, We can boycott business 24/7 as long as it isn't a monopoly/crony)
Crony is another term for being dependent on a government.
Why depend on a government if they have limited power? (weak)
Unless they aren't. (So it's important for democracies to find monopolies/cronies/government having "too much" power)
Society/Market follows supply/demand law (Which is naturally a human nature)
Government forces society to follow their policies (Which may or may not be based on false/misleading facts)
The market requires your own time/energy/money to make sure that the product is good or else your broke and burned all your money for nothing
Government uses other people money and may or may not use that efficiently
(Why use it efficiently where you have technically have infinite amount of money. BUT Finite amount of "outrage points" to nudge the budget into whatever product your working on)
C Give statistical proof in my short videos
Unemployment for all race (mostly blacks) and the wealth of blacks DECREASED after minimum wage (This is the time with racism by the way) (The Thomas Sowell one)
Subsidizing education INCREASED tuition (The pragerU one)
Welfare discourages to climb up the economic ladder as they receive lesser welfare and more taxes (The Milton one)
Welfare / Minimum wage / Subsidizing education these 3 sound like "care after birth"
and FAILED miserably.
----
OPINION Start
(Well I do like minimum wage. Maybe only apply it to big businesses and not to small businesses cuz small businesses are the ones who have to pay for the 'burden' of minimum wage)
Ie. Some Small businesses only need extra workers during peak hours but NOT during where they still have to pay the same rate.
I'd Prefer Minimum wage rate where I can work in a restaurant at evening then janitor by day in different business. Each businesses pay half of the minimum wage. I get to work ONLY during peak hours. While I get to have full wage with less than the current 8 hr work. turned into 6 hrs
OPINION End
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D Give 'solution' to life after birth problem without use of government
The FB Post where a private loaning bank/company where they specializes on the welfare of the mother
Apparently it decreased abortion rates AND incentives mothers to find work (Which reduces further unwanted pregnancies significantly)
TLDR:
So yeah I have nothing to add other than to defend the idea of "not caring after birth" cuz we care after birth
And we do care how we do it with our limited resources most efficiently
^ That by the way is the literal definition of economics
evidence shows it shouldn't be done by government. It should be done with businesses as it is the most effective/efficient
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roseturtle · -3 points · 5 years ago
Children don't go to jail for crimes like that. If a boy kicks someone you explain that kicking is wrong. You don't tell them they're going to jail (which is untrue anyway).
I just said you can't assume she'll put it up for adoption. I said she might not.
Any 15 year old would be a lot better off taking care of their kid than killing their kid.
The pro-life crowd is obsessed with helping the babies/children and mothers. I don't see how they could be more concerned with it than they already are.
I just said you can't assume she'll put it up for adoption. I said she might not.
Any 15 year old would be a lot better off taking care of their kid than killing their kid.
The pro-life crowd is obsessed with helping the babies/children and mothers. I don't see how they could be more concerned with it than they already are.
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cicero101 · 5-Year Club · 3 points · 5 years ago
"The pro-life crowd is obsessed with helping the babies/children and mothers"
I highly doubt that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
And you missed my point with your jail response. It was about the psychological impact, not the legal reality
I highly doubt that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
And you missed my point with your jail response. It was about the psychological impact, not the legal reality
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roseturtle · -1 points · 5 years ago
I know what you were trying to say. There is no point to psychologically impacting a kid with lies.
What you just did is a middle school textbook example of cherrypicking. Just because someone people went crazy about the murder of babies doesn't mean the pro-life crowd is in any way not obsessed with helping pregnant mothers, mothers with babies and young children, and the babies themselves.
What you just did is a middle school textbook example of cherrypicking. Just because someone people went crazy about the murder of babies doesn't mean the pro-life crowd is in any way not obsessed with helping pregnant mothers, mothers with babies and young children, and the babies themselves.
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zanck · 10-Year Club · -1 points · 5 years ago
You dont want it too low now, so it still has that special spice of crime for a while
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