Little N-word dumb af.


comfy · Lurker · 63 points · 5 years ago
Remember how Buzzfeed published an article defending electoral college during the Obama's governments and then deleted it and made another one against it after Trump was elected?
Wolfserker · Commenter · 12 points · 5 years ago

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gaiboi445 · 0 points · 5 years ago
So? Buzzfeed is not one entity. Probably a different writer. And even if not. Opinions change
Shadok · 4-Year Club · 19 points · 5 years ago
Is he saying the rich people should have more votes because they own more land? Now that's a total fascist move
_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 7 points · 5 years ago
I don't have anything against Electoral voting in a federation, since each state has different laws.
I'm from a small country in Europe, and i wouldn't like it if we had 40 times less political influence than Germany in the EU just because of our small populance. :-(
I'm from a small country in Europe, and i wouldn't like it if we had 40 times less political influence than Germany in the EU just because of our small populance. :-(
_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 4 points · 5 years ago
Though that's probably the case.
Darth_Revan · 7-Year Club · 9 points · 5 years ago
Gernany and other large continental nations in the EU actually have disproportionately small say in the voting of the European Parliament, to ensure the sovereignty of smaller nations
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damnstraight · 2 points · 5 years ago
That's why the division of eurodeputies isn't proportionnal to the population size either.
We basically have an electoral college system too in europe. But our dumbasses always forget that when criticizing the us system.
tbh either from electoral college or direct democracy are bullshit. Both have flaws. the good system should be in one of those where you give a candidate a notation or put him on a scale and then calculate how high on the scale he got.
Prob too big and complex to be applicable tho.
We basically have an electoral college system too in europe. But our dumbasses always forget that when criticizing the us system.
tbh either from electoral college or direct democracy are bullshit. Both have flaws. the good system should be in one of those where you give a candidate a notation or put him on a scale and then calculate how high on the scale he got.
Prob too big and complex to be applicable tho.
Lurker__sama · 2 points · 5 years ago
Europe is not a country, it's a coalition of country. Each country have it's own sovereignty, it's widly different than the U.S.A, we don't elect a president of europe, but a bunch of deputy.
damnstraight · 2 points · 5 years ago
Well the usa are a coalition of states. Before the secession war, it was considered "a union of states" whereas now, it's seen as "a united state" (read that somewhere).
That's where the electoral college comes from, their federal state wasn't meant to be so strong at first, each state was supposed to keep more sovereignty that it has now (it still has lots of sovereignty now, maybe even more than europe when it comes to legislation fe?).
Also, we indeed don't elect a president of europe, and that might be one of the problems of europe. It kind of lacks democracy on some points (there are way too much commissions deciding for everybody, made out of people that are chosen by people that were elected, so prob not really close from what people want).
I stand my point; both systems are by far not perfect. If you think that a democratic vote by majority, even with two turns is a good idea, I invite you to check what happened in France in 2002 and 2017, those were not results that represented the leader wanted by the people.
I invite you to check what kind of election the borda count proposes. It's real interesting how our elections outcome may change.
That's where the electoral college comes from, their federal state wasn't meant to be so strong at first, each state was supposed to keep more sovereignty that it has now (it still has lots of sovereignty now, maybe even more than europe when it comes to legislation fe?).
Also, we indeed don't elect a president of europe, and that might be one of the problems of europe. It kind of lacks democracy on some points (there are way too much commissions deciding for everybody, made out of people that are chosen by people that were elected, so prob not really close from what people want).
I stand my point; both systems are by far not perfect. If you think that a democratic vote by majority, even with two turns is a good idea, I invite you to check what happened in France in 2002 and 2017, those were not results that represented the leader wanted by the people.
I invite you to check what kind of election the borda count proposes. It's real interesting how our elections outcome may change.
Lurker__sama · 1 points · 5 years ago
I disagree with what your saying for france, the second turn was indeed a vote against the National Front, but don't you think that show at least that the people were agaisnt that type of ideologie, and that somewhat an endorsement vote for the other partie ?
Didn"t knew for the gistory of the United state, i'm going to learn a little bit more about it before i can answer you
Didn"t knew for the gistory of the United state, i'm going to learn a little bit more about it before i can answer you
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damnstraight · 1 points · 5 years ago
Well, it is complex because europe actually isn't just one population (just like the us are different, but I think they are less than we are).
That's always the problem when you try to take a decision globally but let the individuals deal with the consequences individually.
It's unfair to give one vote per inhabitant because tiny countries such as luxembourg, etc would be heavilty disadvantaged. What if the common majority voters base (so Germany, France and the UK) decides that all fiscal assets should be normalized? Luxembourg will be against but will have to implement it anyway, and will suffer the consequences (loss of money). Basically, this means GFUk will dictate what happens in luxembourg, which won't be appreciated.
On the other hand, you can't give each country an equal vote either as it would be a denial of democracy.
That's why we have our deputies system and the us the electoral college systems. They get close to a direct democracy (trump won by ec, but lost on dd, but only by a few percent, he didn't "lost" on dd by 20-80% for example), while on the same time respecting the differences of interests of between different states. Nebraska people and Kansas people have different interests than californian people.
And tbh, the west and east coast may have an disadvantage considering the "power" of their vote, but they'll represent most of the votes anyway, so they shouldn't *** so much about it.
And as a final "shots are fired", there's not much good coming out of california those last years, socially and politically (go check the evergreen university incident). You don't want those people to decide what happens in your country (or in any country, actually).
That's always the problem when you try to take a decision globally but let the individuals deal with the consequences individually.
It's unfair to give one vote per inhabitant because tiny countries such as luxembourg, etc would be heavilty disadvantaged. What if the common majority voters base (so Germany, France and the UK) decides that all fiscal assets should be normalized? Luxembourg will be against but will have to implement it anyway, and will suffer the consequences (loss of money). Basically, this means GFUk will dictate what happens in luxembourg, which won't be appreciated.
On the other hand, you can't give each country an equal vote either as it would be a denial of democracy.
That's why we have our deputies system and the us the electoral college systems. They get close to a direct democracy (trump won by ec, but lost on dd, but only by a few percent, he didn't "lost" on dd by 20-80% for example), while on the same time respecting the differences of interests of between different states. Nebraska people and Kansas people have different interests than californian people.
And tbh, the west and east coast may have an disadvantage considering the "power" of their vote, but they'll represent most of the votes anyway, so they shouldn't *** so much about it.
And as a final "shots are fired", there's not much good coming out of california those last years, socially and politically (go check the evergreen university incident). You don't want those people to decide what happens in your country (or in any country, actually).
BugerBadger3000 · Commenter of the Day · 2 points · 5 years ago
In EU voting system you have to have both like the numbers of people and numbers of states so f.e. if France and Germany are for sth but all small nations are against they only have the population numbers not the states so it won´t pass
dotdotdot · Verified · 7 points · 5 years ago
redistribute the population not the wealth
kalashnikovodka · Verified · 15 points · 5 years ago
redistribute the population so that every wealth has the same ammount of population
works for me
works for me
cicero101 · 5-Year Club · 5 points · 5 years ago
Redistribute stupid Californians to Alaska. All of them
Backseat_Driver · Commenter of the Month · 4 points · 5 years ago
I love the idea of cramming a few thousand people into Bill Gates house
MihaiD · 3 points · 5 years ago
There was once an attempt to redistribute the African population. People don't talk too fondly about those times.
Bob_Bwaa · Early Member · 1 points · 5 years ago *
Also, the people in the orange aera would need to be unanimous for the red aera to be "completely ignored".
_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 1 points · 5 years ago
Congatulations, you understand the concept of a hypothetical. . .
Bob_Bwaa · Early Member · 1 points · 5 years ago
I was just pointing out an other flaw in that reasoning, chill
_Coneberry · 6-Year Club · 1 points · 5 years ago
Them being unanimous was a part of said hypothetical.
Evil_Paragon · 7-Year Club · 1 points · 5 years ago
They usually are though, and if you counter with "But sometimes they vote different", well cool, sometimes the Red area in the middle does as well. The point is they /usually/ are aligned in the way they vote.
Lucky11 · 1 points · 5 years ago
No, they aren't. In fact several sections of each generally vote the opposite way. So you should say they almost always vote different and in some extremely rare cases vote similar.
Elking_Size · Commenter · 0 points · 5 years ago *
I think the usa should split in a couple smaller countries
sponge_hitler · Wise · 1 points · 5 years ago
why?
piemelzuiger · 5-Year Club · 2 points · 4 years ago
because of the different cultures
sponge_hitler · Wise · 2 points · 4 years ago
after one year and countless riots I completly agree. at least the Reps and the Dems should split in 2 countries at this point
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